Ep 27 - Real-World Organization: Featuring Paul Arai - Part 2

 

This is the second half of my conversation with Paul Arai, who happens to be one of my favorite people — and lucky for me, my brother-in-law. If you missed the first half of this convo, I would say pause now, go back to last week, and check it out. We are discussing how organization makes a difference in practical applications in real-life situations. We didn't want to worry about how long the conversation was going to be, so we decided to make it a two-parter. So I'm just going to dive on into where we left off.

You can listen right here, on Apple, Amazon, Spotify or you can read the transcription below. Enjoy!

 
 
 
 

Carly: Okay, so let's fast forward how, I know you said you've been a firefighter for 16 years now, which is wild. How did you get started in that?

Paul: Okay. Well, it's a long story. Sorry, everything is, I feel like I'm a long story. Why I became a firefighter? Well, so we decided to sell the restaurant as a family. It was my mom wanting to sell, and I said, no, no, no. We keep it going. It just came to a point where it wasn’t good anymore. It was just too stressful, and it was, I don't know. I just was, I was over it. I wanted to sell it and get out and do something new, and I was 25. From there though, I didn't, I had to drop out of college to do this.

I had to, I didn't have any other work experience. I said, I've only known the restaurant since I was taking my first steps. Now the journey became, “What do I do? What am I good at? What can I do, what do I like?” And it was, it took a little bit. I had a customer acquaintance who was pretty high up in the California Highway Patrol realm, and he was, yeah, come over. You've got to check it out. It's good pay and all this stuff, benefits. I said, “Oh cool, cool, cool. Yeah, that sounds really great.” And my best friend at the time, right, still is, he's a firefighter and his dad's a firefighter. He said, what? No, what are you talking about? He's like, you’ve got to come over to a fire.

And I said, really? I said, “Firefighter?" I said, I don't know. I did not have like the go-getter attitude on that. I said, really? What is, what are you even doing? Which is so silly because if I look back in my life, we've been friends since, I can't even remember when we actually met, but I think we were like kindergarten or something like that. I’ve known Frankie for like a long time, so what's surprising is that, we would do school, you had career reports, right? You had to find, pick a career, pick a career do a report, blah, blah, blah, all that stuff. I actually did reports on firefighting multiple times.

Because I would just tag along. He was like, “Oh yeah, we'll just go visit my dad or his coworkers and ask him questions.” I had no interest at the time but so I said, cool. I learned a little bit about firefighting in that sense. But he was all about it. Right out of high school, two years out of high school, he got picked up and he was one of the youngest that got hired at the time. He full blown and took off. I said, oh, that's cool, that's great. Now he's telling me yeah, you've got to do it. I said, I don't know, whatever.

But it piques my interest. I said like I'll look into it. There were two events that, oh, almost like three events after that time of talking to him about it. There were three. There were two medical emergencies, or actually, no, yeah, two medical emergencies, two vehicle accidents that I like witnessed or was involved after the fact. The first one was there was a diabetic emergency at the restaurant, and it was primetime lunch crowd, busy. We were like just rushing to finish all the orders and everything. One of our really good customers, her mom collapsed at the front and she's like screaming. I don't know what's going on. I said, well I'm just so involved in like making the food and trying to pump it out. She's calling for help. I’m like, what? What the heck? And she's calling my name. I don't know what to do. What do you want me to do? So I just run over.

I don't know what to do. And luckily we were close to Kaiser, so one of the nurses was having lunch. They, she stepped in and all those things, she was fine afterwards. She came and visited me, but it was definitely scary. She was passed out, and so it was definitely an emergency. But yeah, that's stuck with me, where this person I know is screaming for me to help them. But I have no… I was helpless. Couldn't do anything. It really sucked. It bugged me.

And then there's another emergency that happened and then there was a vehicle accident in front of the restaurant, I heard it happen and everything. I was on my break. I run out there and I'm trying to help these people, and there's this guy that was kind of a boss, not bossing, but he's very confident in what he knew and he was telling people we've got to do this, we've got to do that. I said, “I think we've got to move the cars because it's a very dangerous, there's a blind corner, a lot of cars speed, so let's get everyone to safety. Let's get these cars out of the way.” In my mind, I think there's going to be another wreck. You know? And he was, no, we've got to leave it because insurance and you know, they're going to need all these stuff and blah blah. When highway patrol shows up, what's the first thing they do? Get these cars out of the way, that's a dangerous blind corner, and all that stuff.

So I said, okay. I was right. It made sense to me. That stuck with me. I said, well this random person is confident barking orders and we all followed because we didn't know any better. That stuck with me where it was, “Man, why did he know and I didn't, but then he ended up being wrong?” I want to know. I want to know I can help people.

Another time, we were driving down to LA for a baseball tournament and I played on a men's league at the time. We were doing a tournament and it was on I-5. There's a vehicle fire, a car that caught on fire. It looked like there was an accident, and it was rolled over and all this stuff. There were so many people out trying to help. In my mind I'm thinking, do I pull over? What do I do? And I said, no, I can't. Because if I do then it's going to block this traffic and the ambulance and the firefighters won't be able to get here.

So it's like the best thing is to just get out of the way. I went there and on the way back I said I think I want to be a firefighter. It just came to me and it was, I personally call it divine intervention — a sense of God's plan where it put these events in my life to where it's like this is for you. I can't tell you that how much or how it changed me. Because it is for me.

Carly: Oh, it is a hundred percent for you.

Paul: Well, I didn't know at the time, but when I started I was feeling, “This is it.” Like the first class, first day of class was, yes, I'm a hundred percent on board. A thousand percent I'm going to do it and I'm going to do whatever it takes to become a firefighter. That set me on the journey to be a firefighter.

Carly: Amazing. I've seen you work your ass off. I mean, going to the new firehouse that you're at now you had to start all over again, and yeah, I saw how much physical effort and also studying and just effort too. Besides, besides doing all of that work just in general, we're very proud of you.

Paul: Oh, thank you. I appreciate it.

Carly: Okay, so you have a lot of experience in this realm on trucks. In an ambulance. Right? Yeah. Then even on a fireboat.

Paul: Right. I went, I worked in Central Valley as a firefighter for 14 years, and now two years in, I'm in the Bay Area. Now we have ocean, so we're on a fireboat, all that stuff. Those are all new to me, it's very exciting. Even though I've been a firefighter for a while, these are new adventures and new things I have to learn. Stressors, organizing, all the new stuff that I have to do and learn.

Carly: So what would you say are some of the key functions of a well-organized firehouse? Firetruck? Part two of that question will be, how can you bring those principles to your home?

Paul: Great question. What I teach or tell the new guys, new firefighters that come and share my experience, and this holds true to most fire departments or most firefighters. We are organized. We have to organize in simplicity, because the way we do our work is high stress. When you do a high stress job or you're in the moment, you fall back to your training, right? So things that you do all the time, or they're used to — you don't excel, you don't come up to it because at that time it's super high stress and there's so many things going on that your brain can only process so much. Because of that buffer, you naturally will go back to your minimal training that you have inherent inside you.

So the way we organize is simple and keep things very simple, the KISS method, if you will. But on top of the KISS method, we also logically organize it. For example, if we have a water type of call, we go to the compartment that has all our water equipment or a vehicle extrication. We have a compartment with all our extrication stuff.

Carly: So, is that someone that like needs to get cut out of a car?

Paul: Yeah. Like the jaws of life is what people call it or just their extrication tools, it's more of a scenario-based organization, not a logical, hey, A through Z or one, two 1, 2, 3, 4. It's not necessarily like that. It's more, what do I need to do this? And they're all right there. I don't have to run around picking tools up here and there. The ambulance is the same type of thing. An airway if you're at the head of the patient, all your airway adjuncts and things like that are within reach. You don't have to crawl over someone else to get this and that or the drugs that we have to give, they're all in a section and they're all clearly visible.

You don't have to dig through things. You don't have to move things out of the way. It's just boom, grab, go open up, go. So, they're all organized in that category. Or scenario-based. That organization or the way we organize is definitely a, not to put weight on it, but you know, seconds matter or time does, definitely has a factor.

And so we train and we set up ourselves for success in that sense of what is going to kill this patient and why? What do we need to do to prevent this patient from dying? Yeah. So those are the major things that we go through. Even protocols in the county and medical protocols and things like that, essentially stem around them.

Like what can we do to basically stop what's wrong with them? Yeah. We go through the list and it's very, very simple. I shouldn't say simple because this is very technical, but it's laid out simply like the flow chart. Yep. Like if this, then that. Exactly. No? Next.

And if this is going on, don't do this. Or so things that we look for. But we're always, we have to train all the time to keep that fresh in our mind so it comes out fast. There's minimal delays. From the restaurant to the firefighting, that organization that I was able to use really helped me succeed as a firefighter.

Because then I could see, hey, if we have this type of call, I already know in my mind — these are the things I'm going to need to make myself successful. An ingredient list. I know I need these things. I can also go, “Hey, I know what my primary thing that I'm going to grab, or the tool or whatever it is, and then what my secondary thing is — and if that doesn't work, what am I going to do now?”

You know, so it's a critical thinking. Also, it helps me critically think. For me, organization wise, every little bit, the little things that I'm trying to manage — like the family. The kids are yelling and all this stuff, and I'm trying to make sure I got this going and that going. I just naturally organize those things and almost compartmentalize it and go, “Okay, what do I need to do?” What's going to take the longest and how can I fill those gaps of waiting in between and this is how I'm going to manage my time. The time management really, really helped me succeed as a firefighter.

Carly: And what are your key, I don't know, if I had to say how do you, how are you successful at managing your time? What would you say are some of the key things you do?.

Paul: Being prepared and looking at actually helping myself prepare. If it's knowledge or weather or things that I anticipate that I may need or that I have that may come up or that might be challenging. I prepare ahead of time before that does happen. There's a lot of preparation and daily nightly actually, even before I go to work, I have to start getting in that mindset. Is my equipment ready to go? Is my uniform ready to go? Okay. When I get to work, is everything in place? I have to check everything.

I have to make sure all those things are there. It's a good 15, 20 minutes at least of just looking at all the stuff that I need and making sure it's there. And if it's not, you’re filling it up or restocking or whatever. That preparation helps with the low stress level. Because I'm a low stress level type of person.

I like not having to stress out. I'm not sure if everyone feels that way, but I'm sure people don't stress, they don't seek it out. The less stress for me is important, so I'm willing to take the time to prepare what I need to do, or organize what I need to organize. It may take me longer, but I'm basically buying time later.

So what I do today or what I do right now will help me in the near future, or even in the more distant future. That's where I think, what can we do, or I guess what organization or what —thinking in those terms, it applies to life-saving measures, right? It's all about having, what can I do to make my life easier?

For the preparation part, just so you do a correlation. I get my uniform and all that stuff for work. Well, you do the same thing for work, right? You lay out your clothes and all that stuff and you're boom out the door. It's easy. You already cut out the stressor of the initial morning routine. There's no stress because everything's in place and you're out the door.

Carly: Well that's even things — talking about practical applications — that’s one of the reasons why I keep more of a simplified wardrobe now. That I can just be, bottom, top, go. Yeah, I know it fits. I know I like it.

Paul: Exactly. I know I look good in it.

Carly: I don't have to think, and I haven't for years really had to try on an outfit and be like what do I think? Maybe not. Okay next. I'm not doing that because I've tried them all at the beginning of this season. Unless my weight fluctuates like drastically. Two months, it's fine, you know?

Paul: Well, it can if you just come over more for dinner.

Carly: I know, that's what I hear. That's why I'm busy. I'm just kidding, I never say that! I'm always like yes, please!

But I heard you talk about some other things too that made me think of practical applications, from the firehouse to home. That's when you're talking about kits. That’s when you're in a playroom and maybe parents have like art kits. Do we want to play with crayons? Well, I don't have to take out like a giant tub of all sorts of art project stuff, I could just take out the crayon box. Yep. Or the Play-Doh. Or the sand toys for the beach. Right now I've just got another on our run, so like weekly we get supplies for different client sessions. This week I threw in a container from me because I have my summer bag with like all my pool toys. It's just been in the closet, but it's in this prime real estate spot where I am like touching that thing every day.

Yeah. I'm like, it is January. Get out of my face. Yeah, I will see you in May because it gets hot quickly, but until then you need to be put away and I need you like in a closet where I can get you easily and I'm putting the bag, the bag will go in the bin too, so I can just grab it again. But yeah, it just needs to get out of my face for now. 

Paul: Exactly what you said, I feel like it's what I said too about the fire service.  Compartmentalize, organize, organizing, so exactly that. That's it. That's it. You know? Yeah. We do, it's the same thing.

Carly: Yeah. You save people. Well, sometimes, and I save people energy.

Paul: That's, that's the same, the emotional aspect of the mental health aspect of is huge. Ah, it's very huge.

Carly: it's definitely rewarding. I'm not going to say my job is as rewarding as yours because I can't even imagine. But it's rewarding. That's good.

Paul: We need you in people's lives too. They need you.

Carly: Thank you. You just need a 9-1-1 organizer.

Paul: Yeah, exactly. Well, the new project for you that's that show Nanny 9-1-1. 

Carly: Oh man. HGTV, are you listening? No, I'm just kidding. You see a lot of things that civilians don't really have insight into. If people only took away one thing from this conversation, what would you want it to be?

Paul: Great question. There's, so I don't know how to answer that in a…

Carly: Well, this is an explicit show, so go for it.

Paul: You can probably just, yeah. But there's things you don't need to hear about. What my wife says like the blood and guts thing. Oh man, safety's important. Yeah. Only you could prevent forest fires. Recycle kids, stay in school.

Yeah, I think the, so I'm trying to relate it to like organization and things like that, but to me, the emotional aspect of it is really, I would compare, or what I would point out it's like I have a high stress job in the ER, at times — because we don't, I'm not running call after call of recall every day. Sometimes it is, but not every day. They're not all super high stressor type jobs where I'm seeing traumatic events or I'm trying to work through traumatic events and things like that. But it is there and the things I guess in life, it's already high stress events that are going to happen.  Right? Regardless of what we do, unless we live under a rock as they say, or in a cave. But we're going to run into high stress events that are out of our control, and if we can just manage the little stressors at home, it will help us that much more to be able to deal with that high stress type.

And so that's where I feel is really important, that organization and being able to, I wouldn't say cleanse, but cleanseor give yourself a reset or give your life you know, happiness, if you will. And one way you can do it is by being organized and taking what is in your control to not stress about.

If you can build on that, you can build outside of your house too. Or you know, you're going into work, at work maybe, or at whatever place or wherever place that you need to go. As it helps you be in that moment, it helps you be focused on that task at hand or enjoying the moment. It helps you enjoy that moment rather than stressing about, oh, I forgot this, I forgot that. Oh, this would've made the party so much better, or the event so much better. All that is needed so you just feel you can enjoy it. I think that would be the biggest thing is that the stresses are huge.

And that's what I've learned in my job. I've actually taken on a project at work, it's a pilot program and it's a mental health car. Oh yeah, we go on mental health patients a lot. But it's not just that, it's called the Mobile Crisis Unit. Anyone who's in a crisis, that doesn't have to be a mental health thing either.

Soat work, I’ve taken on a new pilot program, I'm involved in a new pilot program for a mobile crisis unit. It is a unit that goes out for not just mental health or like people suffering from mental health, but it's also regular people that just had a crisis at the time. And we go and we try to diffuse the situation and then also help them get tools to, to not only take care of it, but alsoto process whatever they're going through. It's been a very successful program, and actually multiple cities have started doing this. It's a very new program all around.And we work under a clinician, a licensed clinician, and social workers. It's like a, it's a definitely a team approach. But with that, with the training that I've done, that I have to go through or have gone through, we talk about stressors and talk about mental health and things like that.

And it is a very — I don’t thinka lot of people realize, but stress is a killer. Stress has so much negative effect on your body and just your demeanor and your mental health. It's not, it's not just a mental, it's definitely physical. It's both, right? That's, that's a big point. Stress is both. And so with that, if you can manage that, then you're just that much further ahead of the game. Right, in life and whatever it is, you can just take, you're one step closer. Yeah, exactly. Baby steps to do that. You know, that's one of the main things I wanted to share is that.

Carly: Awesome. I appreciate it. Because this is what you do for work. You're out in the field and and it's just bringing it together. I love that we've been talking to people about how it's all intertwined and why it matters in real world scenarios.

Paul: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You can be proud that the more you're organized, the more high stress drops to where you can manage. You can manage stress better, right?

Carly: We got this guys.

Paul: One more thing that I want to do share actually relates to fitness, my fitness journey. I was a yoga instructor, with a personal trainer certification. During that journey, the things I would teach or share with the clients — mainly were that it's a lifestyle change. You have to accept that it's going to be a new you. Right? It's a new life and it's wonderful. It's great. That's what's going to ultimately lead to your success.

It is a change in you in a positive manner. And accepting that is beautiful. But if you, and I don't want to sound negative because it's not, but in order to have change in your life in that manner, you have to shed your old life. You have to close that chapter. You know, you have to accept the fact that, hey, that's the old me or the old way I did things. Now I want change. I want something new in my life. This new can be scary. It can be frightening, but it's baby steps and it doesn't have to be frightening in a manner of you're throwing everything out or you know, you're changing who you are, your identity.

It's nothing like that. It's an evolution of you. It's just how you're going to like yourself even more, you're going to like life even more because of new changes in your life, right? That's one thing that I've learned in my journey is that I have to give up these old ways that were not helping me, or maybe they just needed tweaks, but that tweak is new and it's a new thing that I have to accept. Like an example for my fitness, the fitness journey was, hey, if you have trouble going to the gym, then take a new route home. Maybe swing by the gym first. You know?

Or if you need to do a project, do that first before you come in, take off your shoes or whatever it is. Put the keys down, turn the car off. Maybe stop before you turn the car off. Hey, I need to do something for five minutes real quick. Whether it's meditation or a self-help quote or whatever you need to catch up on, take that second or minutes before you get into work or before you come home, and that's a change. That's a change in a positive manner, and that will start to lead to a new change, a new life and more changes that are just helping you become just better version of yourself or a happier version of what you want to see in your life.

Carly: Yeah. Piggybacking onto that, I think it's really interesting when you start to dig into the because of what your choices in your lifestyle are. This is not pointing fingers. If anyone feels personally attacked, just know I'm not talking about you. I've been asked that on the podcast before.

It's not, it's not you. I see this all the time. Folks come to me and I specifically market that I help people with too much stuff. Folks come to me because they're overwhelmed with too much stuff. Because of that, I use decluttering as a foundation of everything I do. I say that all the time too. Decluttering is the foundation of everything I do. But with that also comes a needed lifestyle change. If we want to have any sustainable long term changes. Because we can't use decluttering as the foundation and we can't simplify your life that has too much stuff if we're then constantly bringing in things at the same rate.

The true long-term change requires you to think about what your habits are now and how you can tweak them. I'm not saying that you need to change into a whole new person. But we do often need to like reexamine, if you have 50 samples of lotion. Then the next time you go traveling, maybe take some of them with you instead of bringing home the ones that you have from the hotel. Yeah, just leave them or just use them all while you're there. 

Paul: All 50?

Carly: All 50. 

Paul: Just take a nice lotion bath, head to toe…

Carly: Hydrate, guys. You just hydrate that skin and that's a change and that's a change. We can be covered in lotion. This, I'm not saying all the changes are good, some of them are. But that's what we talk about here.

Paul: Absolutely.

Carly: But, the change needs to happen for you, for you togrow. It's organization. I always say it is not just about pretty bins. It's not just about sorting. It's about removing. Then like a long-term change.

Paul: No, I don't know about you, but I definitely feel when I have success and a change, it sparks a fire. Oh my God. Yeah. It’s, I don't know how to describe it, but it's great. It's wow, I'm motivated. I’m a new person, or just this little win, whatever it is. It's man, hey, I did what I was setting out to do, my goal or what I wanted to do and I succeeded. I did it. So rewarding it in that manner.

Carly: And we talk about in our private community, we talk about the snowball effect. That's why we set little goals. We can get those wins faster. Sure. It's not like, I decluttered my living room. Or actually, I like to start with, I do example of the bedroom because it's just easier to pinpoint the trouble spots for everybody. But it'll be small — it's not, I declutter my bedroom. It’s I decluttered the top of my dresser. Yes, I decluttered under the bed a hundred percent. I decluttered my side table. Yep. Every single one of those wins we're celebrating together to high five each other. And it helps keep you motivated to have more wins.

Paul: And you know what, with that being said, if you have to declutter your like nightstand more than once? That's okay, that's fine. We're finding that system. We're finding what works. That's even a bigger success. Because you went back to it and said, yep. Hey, you know what? I recognize that I did it, but also it wasn't — I just needed to tweak something to make it right. Yep. Boom. That's bigger than the initial, in my opinion. Because you did the whole self check, right? Yep. You checked in with yourself, you checked your work and said, you know what? I'm okay with changing it because it helps me. And you did it again. That's huge.

Carly: And to that point too, there's going to be some spots that just, everyone's going to have their clutter hotspot. I do this for a living. I declutter for a living. If you think that my clutter hotspot isn't a pile of clothes next to my side of the bed, you are wrong.  And it's not laundry. It’s, well, that's my bathroom. Well, that's my pajamas. And on my best days, I'm putting them away. Right away. On my worst days, there's a little bit of a pile, and that's all right. That's okay. That's okay. That's, that's all right. I clean that pile a hundred times a year.  And it's fine. That's it. We're not looking for perfection here, guys. 

Paul: I operate in a trigger way. If it gets to an X, then I want to you know what, I need to change my priorities, right? So if I have something that's getting out of hand, I'm like pause. I know other things are important, but I have to put it all on the back burner because I need to focus on things — that’s something that's going to get out of hand. We all have, we all know you know when you're saying, oh my gosh, when that pile gets that size, I'm over it. I can't do it anymore. I need someone else to do it. But you know, just checking in with yourself, you know where that trigger is, and if you don't, then you'll learn so easily.

Right. Pretty quick, and it's a repetitive thing, so it's once again, it doesn't, it's not a stressful situation, it's just finding yourself finding what your triggers are, finding where your limitations are, finding where you need to step in. It's okay to pause on the other things that are important to take care of something that's going to need to be taken care of now, and then you'll, from my journey, you'll learn that, you know what, if I just don't do that, then I won't have to deal with it later.

Carly: A hundred percent. Right. That's the next, my bed. Exactly. Or if there's like two pieces of clothing and I’m like let's just nip this in the bud right now. And then that's a ten second thing. Exactly. Versus like a 10 minute thing, 20 minute thing.

Paul: That's huge for people that don't want like loads of laundry. You don't want to spend your whole Saturday doing laundry and folding. Well guess what? Maybe get a smaller hamper. Right? Yeah. It forces you to have to do laundry, or you can just let it pile up and now it goes on the floor. And it just explodes. But whatever you need, try it to see if that will help you.

Carly: Or if you don't like to do it all day Saturday, maybe do like a baby load. Multiple times a week. Yes, exactly. That's just a lot faster to fold and get away. You're on it like, boom, boom, boom.

Paul: Done. That's the stressor for me is like running out of like socks. Or underwear because then I have to wear Rachel's underwear. It's like uncomfortable for me. It's not my cut. She gets mad. She has a bigger butt, so like this doesn't fit right.

Carly: But yeah, she talks about that a lot in the sister thread. I know a lot.

Paul: Did you see the picture where, where Becca’s…?

Carly: Was that a family vacation at …you don't remember that?

Paul: No, I don’t. 

Carly: We went to Utah. 

Paul: Oh yeah. Whew. Yeah, I do. Sorry. I do, I may sound monotone, but I'm definitely I do crazy stuff a lot. It helps me. It helps me entertain myself.

Carly: It's entertaining for me too. This is why I am so happy! Actually, I think your mom has the picture. Amazing. I'm like that. I did not see that picture, but I will request it. We'll put it in the show notes guys.

Paul: Right there at the bottom.

Carly: We'll put that, add it on the block.

Paul: Oh my gosh. It was one of those like eighties rock videos, the daisy dukes.

Carly: Oh, perfect. I'm going to have to show you a funny picture on our fridge. It's with Corey, his brother, and they're wearing, they're extensions, but it looks like they both have mullets…

Paul: It's awesome. It's in now. It's back. Yeah, it's back. You know. Let's do it. Business in the front, party in the back? I think I'm going to do it. 

Carly: Oh yeah, me too. Perfect twinsies.

Paul: Yay. It's a funny story of the twinsy thing I did. The old department that I was working at, I had a chief and he was pretty like straight arrow type of chief. He wanted, he was always about like, full presentation uniform. Outside of work, he was a joker, but at work he's like super serious, so. we were doing something on his cell phone and he had the same case that I had, so I pulled mine out. I said, oh look, twinsies, He pretended that I didn't — he completely ignored the fact that I did that and just continued the conversation. I said, oh, okay.

Carly: That's amazing. Oh, so you just got me to snort on the podcast, so thank you for that. You're welcome.

Paul: You're welcome.

Carly: Oh, thank you so much for being here today. 

Paul: Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

Carly: Really appreciate it. Where can folks find you if they want to stay in contact with you?

Paul: Well I have an Instagram. It's The Sushi Life on Instagram. I think it's just @thesushilife, right? Yeah. That's it. You can see some photos that I do at work or at home or… It's a lot of food porn. Yeah, it's just food mainly.

Carly: You know, I don't get jealous often, but when I do, it's usually of your coworkers.

Paul: Yeah. We’ve been doing some pretty good spreads lately. Yeah!

Carly: Great job. Well, thanks again!

Paul: Absolutely! Thank you. 

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